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Xystus Interview

by Matt Hensch

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Europe has always produced fantastic power metal and the Netherlands' Xystus is no exception. With the release of 2008's Equilibrio, however, Xystus have upped the ante with an album whose origins redefine the word "epic." Featuring an orchestra of nearly 90 musicians, guest appearances from some of the power metal scene's best, and a fully-realized rock opera concept in two acts, Equilibrio is one of 2008's most powerful albums. Matt Hensch sat down with drummer Ivo van Dijk and tried to reach equilibrium on this noteworthy release.

Matt Hensch of Thrashpit.com: First off, I must say Equilibrio is definitely one of the best, if not the best, musical pieces I have ever been graced by.

Ivo van Dijk:
Wow, thank you very much for those kind words. I cannot really say we are just doing more than our utmost best with everything we create, handle it with care and work hard on it to improve ourselves as much as possible. It is always satisfying to hear that people are touched by what you create, even though you always think of your own music as improvable.

Thrashpit.com: How in the world did the album come together?

Ivo:
The album was a hell of a job to both organize and record. First of all, we did the productions ourselves; our synth player Joris and I used our production company together. Off course there was a lot of practicing with the orchestra before hitting the studio with them. Fortunately we were able to do all vocals and band parts in our home studio, so that saved us lots of money, time and organization. We also did the mix ourselves, and with over 200 tracks it was and will probably be the hardest job we have ever done.

As for the whole idea coming together, that's a completely different story. I used to play in a cello-metal band (Apocalyptica-like) together with Michael Neuburger who, at that time, was head of the board of the orchestra. We sat down one day and talked about doing something together with Xystus and the orchestra, since the orchestra needed to do something special to celebrate their 185 years of existence. Initial idea was to do some Xystus songs, but after talking it through with Bas (vocals/guitar) we decided this needed to be something that was especially written for both the orchestra and band. Thus the idea was born to turn it into a rock-opera.

Thrashpit.com: What exactly is the concept behind Equilibrio?

Ivo:
Regarding the story, it is basically a very straightforward story about good and evil. Diegu "the traveler" (played by Bas Dolmans) has been brought to Earth by the goddess Lady Sophia (Simone Simons) to reunite the everlasting struggle between the power-mad ruler Primos (John Vooijs) and the rebel Aveline (Michelle Splietelhof). In his search to fill the void in his life, Primos makes a pact with Death (George Oosthoek). Off course this is all part of Death's evil scheme to have the world drown in blood. By faith Diegu ends up at Aveline's camp and shortly thereafter a truce is called, where Primos and Aveline decided to meet. Diegu comes along, and it turns out it was an ambush by Primos, who attempts to kill Aveline, but Diegu prevents this by killing Primos. Of course this does not fit Death's plan, so he resurrects Primos. After this some years pass by, the world burns in the hands of the power drunk duo Death and Primos, and Diegu is summoned to Lady Sophia, who explains Diegu's destiny. Will he be able to fulfill his destiny? Just listen to the record....

As for the whole project in general: Equilibrio means balance of course, but not just the balance in the story we wrote, also the balance within the music, the balance between the band and the orchestra, the musical singers and the metal singers and so on...
For us the story was a tool to write the music. We know it is (and got criticized for it being) not the most original story around, but the biggest challenge for us was to write a musical backdrop which actually fits the story, use themes throughout the whole opera which people would be able to recognize after seeing the show or hearing the album. Like a good movie score, we tended to write something that sticks in your mind, and I hope we have succeeded in that.

Thrashpit.com: While making the album, did you or anyone else involved with the creation process view the ideas of Equilibrio as pompous or overblown, simply because of the CD's stack of musicians and ideas?

Ivo:
We did realize we were making something that was going to be a bit bigger than what we normally do. Although we do not really think of the music in itself being overblown, we did know that the live shows were going to be over the top, with all the costumes, dancers, make-up etc. We never really stopped to think about it. Or, let me rephrase; we never had TIME to do so...

Thrashpit.com: Xystus and the US Concert orchestra have, of course, performed the entire Equilibrio record live, but during some research about those shows, it appears there are a staggering number of songs performed that did not make the album. Why is that so?

Ivo:
There is a very simply answer to that: Time and money, and we all know these two have a hell of a lot to do with each other. First of all, renting a recording room for an orchestra is not cheap. Besides that a double album just costs lots more than a single one (and do not forget, this was a production we did ourselves).

We were also still in the writing process for the last couple of songs when we hit the studios. Since we were also arranging lots of other stuff besides the album itself, we decided to cut out some scenes, make it into one disc, with some of the highlights of the story. In other words, you would still be able to (kinda) follow the story with the other scenes left out. (Except for the one really important song where Primos makes the pact with Death, you have to fill in that blank for yourself... Haha) It was not a choice of putting "the best" songs on the album... I wish we could have recorded all of them, but we simply could not. Fortunately we still have the DVD for that.

Thrashpit.com: Did you experience any personal problems or differences with a certain guest musician that halted the creation of Equilibrio, or did everything work out just fine?

Ivo:
No really big story there, everything went great and everyone was really enthusiastic. Off course everyone had its personal time schedule (Simone with Epica, John with Tarzan the musical, Michelle with Les Miserables) and was very busy, so we could not have everyone present at each rehearsal. But when push came to shove, everyone was there and gave it 200%. So yeah, everything went pretty well!

Thrashpit.com: How much effort did it take to acquire the various guest musicians that appeared throughout Equilibrio, such as Michelle Splietelhof and John Voojis?

Ivo:
We (the band) knew Simone and George personally from some shows we did with both Epica and Orphanage in the past. When Bas and I had written the story (about 2 years ago now) and laid out all the characters, they were first choice for the parts and we decided to give them a call. They were both very excited about the idea and really looked forward in participating. John and Michelle were contacted through the artistic leader for the show, Ivo van Leeuwen, who worked with them on other musicals. We auditioned them and they seemed both really nice people to work with, combined with some awesome voices. They were also really excited about the energy that was in the music. I was familiar with musicals, but they were not really familiar with symphonic metal, so I fed them some Kamelot, Nightwish and Symphony X which they liked, and from then on they knew what the idea would be.

Thrashpit.com: After the release of Equilibrio, what has changed for Xystus (if anything)?

Ivo:
Well, Equilibrio is our first international release, so off course we were very happy with that. This is because of the record label switch we made to Sensory Records, which feels like a great collaboration. We did get a lot of respect from some colleague bands (Epica for one, Sander of After Forever) for pulling this off. The hard part for us now is to prove that we can do these songs without an orchestra live (no, we do not want to us a backing track...). We have done some shows that way and reactions were really positive. Furthermore, we are hoping to do shows abroad.

Thrashpit.com: Will there be a large-scale tour or perhaps a visit to the United States in support of Equilibrio?

Ivo:
We are hoping to do a tour and of course come to the USA as well. We do not have an international booker though, so I have no idea when we will be able to do this. As for doing the Equilibrio show in its original form...We are working on that but this will cost LOTS of money, and I am very sad to say that this chance is really small.

Thrashpit.com: On to the upcoming DVD featuring the entire Equilibrio album will be performed in its whole form. What would you say makes it stand out compared to other live DVDs that just show musicians standing around and playing their instruments?

Ivo:
Costumes, dancers, props, make-up, the orchestra, acting... This is a musical, and not just a live recording of a band with an orchestra! Besides that we also have the aforementioned unreleased Equilibrio songs which are featured on the DVD off course. The "main product" of Equilibrio was the show itself, and we are very happy that we have been able to capture it on DVD in this way. In fact the DVD is already available through our website.

Thrashpit.com: The DVD itself looks pretty complicated. Who was in charge of creating the acting measures and anything else that seems a little unusual for a typical concert?

Ivo:
It was really complicated. We had numerous people for every aspect of the show. We had James van Velden the choreographer for the dancers, Martin Hierck the director for the acting etc., Ivo van Leeuwen the artistic leader, Nancy the vocal coach, Ferry the stage manager 2 people in the make-up department, 2 tailors and clothing designers, 3 light guys, 2 guys who made the video projections, about 8 people who took care of the monitoring system for the band and orchestra, 2 sound guys etc. etc. etc. It adds up to over 130 people if you include the orchestra and the band. Besides that we had 8 camera operators and 2 guys doing the montage for the DVD itself.

Thrashpit.com: After such a fantastic album with almost impossible ideas, what will happen to Xystus in the future?

Ivo:
First of all, we want to do a "normal" Xystus album. Go into the studio with just the 5 of us. After that – well, we had some pretty wild ideas while working on Equilibrio for the next project, and we will just have to decide which crazy idea it will be after the next album. Besides that we want to play live! That is what it is all about for us, entering a stage, everything on 11 and just going for it.

Thrashpit.com: Thank you for your time and best of luck to you and the other members of Xystus in upcoming time! Is there anything else you would like to add?

Ivo:
Thanks for the interview! We hope everyone enjoys the Equilibrio album, and we hope to be playing a stage near you soon.


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